WTNY Top 100 > Baseball Prospectus Top 100
As you can imagine, my personal list looks a lot different than this one:
http://sonsoftheo.wordpress.com/bp-top-100-2009/
Guys who wouldn’t sniff WTNY’s Top 100:
Brandon Erbe – Future reliever with inconsistent stuff and inconsistent performance to date.
David Cooper – Limited upside bat at a position with some plus plus bats on the way (Lars, Morrison, LaPorta, Freeman, etc.).
Engel Beltre – 15 BB:105 K, Tillman has a better approach at the plate than Engel.
Adys Portillo – International signee last year, 16 years old, yas yet to pitch professionally, and yet, no Martin Perez?
Kyle Drabek – has done absolutely nothing to warrant this ranking, AND, coming off surgery.
Ross Detwiler – 22 years old in A+ with average stuff and below average numbers. Hmm…
Daniel Schlereth – Very aggressive Mrs. Goldstein.
Guys with questionable placements:
Brett Cecil – WAY too low for me. K’s, GB’s, with good reports. He’s about 50 spots too low for me.
J.P. Arencibia – WAY too high. Ok defense, with zero on base skills, good power, would be much lower on mine. If you include Arencibia at 43, then Teagarden has to make the top 100 somewhere, especially in a list that includes defense in the decision making criteria.
Derek Holland – What’s not to like? Progressed each year, has the stuff to match the results. I’d move him up 20 spots and have him ahead of Bowden and Matusz.
Logan Morrison – If you’re going to put Lars at 17, how do you drop Morrison down to 53? And then put Freeman in the 80’s. Too close in my eyes to have that large a gap between the three.
Carlos Triunfel – If you’re going to include someone like Marte in the top 100, it seems like a major oversight not to include Triunfel. It looks like he’s either top 25 for some, or not included at all for others.
Fernando Martinez – Behind Greg Halman? Next.
Ben Revere – Way too high for me. 1HR and scouts don’t see it in the swing, yet #36 on the list, ahead of guys like Hicks, Wallace, FMart, Logan Morrison, Freeman, etc.
Max Ramirez – Where is he?
Carrasco/Arrieta – Ahead of Main and Walden? No thanks.
Overall, I’m disappointed in his list, or, I simply disagree with his formula. Is it performance, is it production, what is it? I don’t see a consistent process in place.
Let’s hear some thoughts…
As the only site on the web dedicated solely to videos of baseball prospects worldwide Prospecttube.com must be coming out with their own top 100 with video. What date should I circle on my calender?
Was the “Mrs.Goldstein” a shot at KG or a typo?
What is your major gripe with Halman over Fmart? Both are supposed to be loaded with tools, but Halman actually has some results to back it up. Maybe that should offset the horrible bb/kk #’s?
My gripe isn’t with Halman, my gripe is with Halman over Fmart. I like Halman and think he clearly deserves a spot in any top 100. But over Fmart? Not really that close for me. As for results, since when is a 772OPS as a 19-year-old in AA Eastern League not considered “results”?
JewMaf – Not a shot at KG, a typo. Top 100 for prospecttube.com? I’m not sure I have the time for it right now. It would be a fun exercise though. Maybe we could do an SOT top 100.
The more I look at KG’s list, the more disappointed I get. I can’t find a clear methodology to this madness. For example, guys like Marte, Inoa, and Portillo are in the top 100, but the guy who signs for 11M as a 19-year-old and many consider the top hitter to come out of Cuba, Viciedo, doesn’t get a sniff in the top 100?
I dont have a problem with Fmart either, but Halman just has better results since being signed. 772 is fine ( repeated level) but Halmans results have just been better.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. By your standards, you’d take Josh Reddick (lifetime 892 OPS) over Andrew McCutchen (lifetime 770 OPS) because he has better “results” to date. I’m finding out for the first time that 101 doesn’t think age/league is relevant in a prospect discussion. By the way, in Fmart’s first shot at A ball as a 17-year-old, his results were better than Halman’s first shot at A ball, you may want to look that one up.
So 772 is only “fine” for a 19-year-old in AA? Can you please list for me the other 19-year-old’s who posted >772 OPS in AA last year, or any year for that matter. I’m guessing it’s a short list, and most likely it’s filled with names of All-Stars and future HOF’ers.
Also, I love the “repeated level” jab, as if that’s relevant. Yes, it’s true, he played both his 18 and 19 year old seasons in AA, when most prospects are either freshmen in college or in RK or A ball.
Delmon Young 968
Joel Guzman 847
Daric Barton 901
Sean Burroughs 784
Just off the top of my head….
C’mon 101, you’re better than that.
Joel Guzman – Played 46 games in AA, about 1/3rd of his total games and was ranked the #5 prospect in baseball by BA after that season.
Daric Barton – Played 56 games in AA, less than 1/2 a season and was ranked #26 by BA at the conclusion.
Both Burroughs and Young played full seasons in AA as 19-year-olds, and both were considered the top prospects in baseball. Burroughs #6 overall, and Delmon #1 according to BA. So as someone would say, “you’re making my point.”
Oh ya, that too was off the top of my head…
Wow if both of you just rattled those stats of the top of your head I am impressed.
You made my point thank you. Not exactly ‘filled with HOF’ers and All Stars’
My ultimate point is that Halman and F-Mart are comparable players. So I disagree with your sarcastic response of “Next” in reference to Halman over F-mart.
I didn’t realize I needed to literally spell it out for you. Guys who are 19, spend an entire season in AA, and post +772 OPS’s are considered to be elite level, superbly talented, really freakin good baseball players. Burroughs (#6) and Delmon (#1) are just two examples. While one has gone AWOL and the other is still trying to take a walk, that doesn’t remove the fact that both were considered top of the food chain good after their 19-year-old seasons in AA.
Both you and KG seem to be the outliers in your subjective evaluation of prospects:
KG – 42 (GH) vs 44 (FM)
KLaw – 93 (GH) vs 16 (FM)
MILB – NR (GH) vs 32 (FM)
Scouting Book – 84 (GH) vs 21 (FM)
Deric McKamey – NR (GH) vs 49 (FM)
I’m just happy you are predicting All star / HOF careers for Andrus and Barton typres. Could be a good few years for 101.
Andrus? Slow your roll over there.